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I could be wrong but aside from your insultive comments, you seem to think COMMUNISM was actually tried. I think you'll find "money" was still a problem. Russia China and any other 'attempt' at communism was doomed to fail for the same reason. Unless you know of a communist state that wasn't affected by greed based systemics. Naturally, if you know of a good system that works, you might want to share ? Good luck in finding it. Do you know that experience teaches wisdom ? Who commands what an EXPERT is ? Fair play.... but if you re right about something intellectually, I'd call you an expert. I suggest you put down the rockets and bombs and try listening with your heart. "20,000 children dead every day, in 2009, caused by poverty related issues".

"If you’re charismatic enough"

Do you want a smile with that ? I'm not here to beg friends or prop up fatal egos, but you cannot say a carpenter cannot talk about middle of the road politics. Read less

Precisely! I do not know any communist state that wasn’t affected by greed! I know of no system that will not be affected by greed! Which is why, the ideal – a non money based, the closest of which is communism – is, as things, stand either impossible or highly improbable. Money will still have to be used.

That’s it. That’s the end of the argument. You yourself agree that those “attempt(s)” have failed. Attempts have failed because people have too much greed. A good system that works? That current system we’re in: capitalism. The system that has allowed for industrial revolutions, that allowed for technological advances, medical advances, that resulted in several diseases being wiped out, that has extended our life, that allowed for widespread communication that is letting us have this discussion! That allowed for dreaming of ideal existence here everyone can be provided for. Here is a system that works!

If you do know a system that is neither capitalism nor communism, that would not have the problems inherent in a communist system then please tell us. Tell us succintly, not vague statements such as not wanting money to be used with just well intentions connected to it. A way that could possibly allow my uncle to have heart surgery without worrying about money which we do not have.

An expert, I would say is someone who has devoted a major part of their life into understanding their subject of expertise. So no, I wouldn’t consider a carpenter or a physicist or myself an expert economist. Of course a carpenter can talk about politics! We have free will! We have the ability to choose if we want to talk about something! However, people will naturally be sceptic about a carpenter talking about politics, much the same as a carpenter talking about economics especially when it’s something major such as changing the entire system we live by. Of which politics would also be an issue especially when determining who would be leaders.

And you are under the impression that I “have rockets and bombs”, am pro-war and have not “try listening with my heart.” I'm not. I hate war. I think it's stupid that people are being killed over differences in opinion, in religion and other issues. I do listen to my emotions, which comes from my mind, but I also temper it with what knowledge I can find. If certain people listened only to their emotions and not their intellect, there would probably be a lot more violence right now. Be careful what you wish for. Point is, I listen to my emotions when it says “those poor people are suffering, I want it to stop”. It is precisely because of that, that when faced with the likely possibility that even “attempting” communism would result in war and suffering, even more than now, with no certainty that the new system would work, that I am very cautious about saying we need to change the current system right away.

I see I may have hit a sore point in the “charismatic” line. I didn’t mean to. That line was solely to list a leader's seemingly most important trait. Neither am I here to beg for friends or prop up egos (did I come off as egoistic? Hope not. I apologize if I do). I’m here because I am interested in this topic. Because throughout my latter secondary schooling until just over a year ago, I looked to communism as an answer; to the suffering I saw about the war which a lot of people around me has said was actually a war about oil; to the suffering of people in Africa; to poverty, to the economic crisis in’07.

They say that cynics are optimists whose rose-tinted glasses have been shattered. Certainly feels like it. Read less

I was looking through your previous posts and I saw something that I did not take into account when I purported communism/socialism as the closes to a non money based system. I’ll quote it:

“Socialism and Communism are two systems that were both LIES. Both contained GREED in the foundations. That does mean, that both were never actually tried. The Community / Society needs a revolution.
Combined without greed, they make for a very perfect system.”

Now, I would like to point that I am not an expert in history or economic history. I only know the bare gist of it and mostly rely on Wikipedia for support. That said, from what I know, Socialism, as placed by Marx, is a stepping stone towards Communism. So I can say that Communism is the end goal. Now. Communism was an ideal created when the bourgeois class was seen as suppressing workers: normal, everyday, working people; the proletariat. Communism was the ideal of no more “class” no bourgeois to hold wealth and maintain ownership of the necessary capital to produce goods and services. However it wouldn’t be fair if that current fraction of population lost the right to ownership and the rest didn’t. That would be hypocritical. So it included the belief that no-one would have the right to ownership. This is the very basis, the very foundation of Communism. How can you say that it’s based on greed?
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QUOTE I do not know any communist state that wasn’t affected by greed! I know of no system that will not be affected by greed!

A high ranking and seemingly unhappy russian army officer asked of one of his troops: WHY IS THAT FENCE NOT PAINTED and the reply was "because we have no paint".

The world system is monetary based and collateral damage is unimportant and mostly untold. Have you really added up the cost ? Communism was never tried. Bare in mind regardless of greed, communism comes from communes and socialism comes from society. Now that might not be how the self elected "experts" put it but the english dictionary might help them understand.

Anti social behaviour ?
Anti community ?
Anti greed based society ?
Pro social ?
Pro community ?
Pro greed based society ?

Are we working together or not ? Capitalism is VERY selfish. If you are a capitalist and I am just a man..... You get all the capital whilst I do all the work. You get the money I get a mere wage. A parking ticket to you is a laugh, a parking ticket to a struggling man, can ruin his life.

7 out of 10 work hours are wasted on the monetary system.
How many charities need money for genuine good causes ? thousands.
How much money do they need ? Hundreds of trillions of pounds.
With our country and other rich countries already spiralled out of control debt wise, where will that money come from to save those lives ?
While we wait for earnings to save lives, what do we say about those who died while waiting, were robbed while waiting, watched others lose/suffer/die while waiting ?
Do you know it has been estimated that a system without greed means people only have to work FOR the system 1/4 of what they do now ?
Rumour or fact ??? has it that people have very little or NO time to care...
The majority of people think WE CAN'T CHANGE ANYTHING and THEY DONT CARE ABOUT US. so they live in fear and their lives are mostly wasted away.
CRACK BABIES Looking at this "phrase of real life" from both sides of the coin, one has to wonder why 9/10 expert social workers haven't said WHY IS MONEY GOD ?

They say you get what you pay for. Economy means cheap. Where is that paint ?

Expert economists are all seemingly financially run idiots. Read less